Posts by Spike Tassel

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IF it is NOT wise for a man to be ALONE with a woman he's NOT married to

by Spike Tassel in

sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.

the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).

even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.

Spike Tassel

isaacaustin (Post 2938)

Spike, I am sure there must be some halfway house where you can meet someone like yourself and who is not captive to the cult. Perhaps she can help you control your triggers.

Spike Tassel (Post 1979)

I am a slave, as all humans are: according to the desires and consequences operating at the time. An intelligent, focused string of conversations is the best control for triggers. I practice the apostle Paul's counsel where it is recorded that "it is well for a man not to touch a woman" and I work in harmony with the implied converse also, that "it is well for a woman not to touch a man".
By "halfway house" I understand you to mean a public place which is not known for JWs to frequent. I must become more attuned to holy spirit so I come to the wise steps ahead so that I can achieve Jehovah's will for me in this.

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just a few questions I don't want to ask directly hell

by Janey214 in

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hello - first may i apologise for capital letters my keyboard has gone screwy.

for the last several months i have been having meetings with two really nice women from the jw organisation.

i don't want to offend anyone by asking these questions i am simply trying to better understand how the watchtower came about without listening to too much anti stuff.

Spike Tassel

Janey214 (Post 7)

Black Sheep posted a copy of an article from an early Watchtower. From this and what I know so far about CT Russell and the way it all started, I would think that the WTS has it's origins in sincere Christian thought. It is very much my belief the the churches I see around me do not adhere to Bible truths and this worries me immensely just from reading the Bible. This study with the witnesses is just one aspect of me 'testing my faith' as it were. :-)

Spike Tassel (Post 1977)

Yes, I really like your phrase sincere Christian thought. I see that to be true of the group connected with the Zion's Watch Tower magazine and its later names.

J aney214 (Post 7)

I have to ask this question, why do spiritual gifts 'seem to have ended with the apostles'. Many many many churches would disagree with you on this point! You say they 'seem' to have ended, does the WTs have a clear revelation/prophecy/mandate to state that they have ended? I apologise but you seem to be ignoring the next two verses of 1 Corinthians 13:
8 Charity never afaileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Spike Tassel (Post 1977)

The point of this scripture is that prophecies are fulfilled, languages come and go, and how we understand Truth changes as knowledge is uncovered and wisdom is applied to the range of both personal and societal issues.
The matter of spiritual gifts (miracles) since Jesus coming to earth as a human seems to not be possible apart from apostles (leaders in the New Covenant arrangement), Jesus being chief. Before Jesus' time as a human, these miracles were conferred upon such men as Moses and Elijah, leaders (prophets) of Jehovah's Old Covenant people.
Those connected to the Great Apostasy are cut off from both spiritual gifts (miracles) from Jehovah, and spiritual understanding from Jehovah as well. All these ones have access to its the "false light" from Satan & co.
Spiritual perfection (paradise) has apparently already begun, though it is progressive; physical perfection (paradise) is understood to begin its progression starting with Armageddon and last until Satan & co. return for the Last Temptation (at the end of the Millenium). Once Satan & co. are destroyed once and for all, perfection (as we use the term in English) on earth will begin in earnest. This time may be called the "real life" (1 Timothy 6:19), though its initial fulfillment is the heavenly resurrection of Jesus and his co-rulers (the 144,000).

J aney214 (Post 7)

Onthewayout - don't get me started on arguments about the canon of scripture! This is one thing that seems to have stumped my visiting witnesses. They were very clear and produced various printouts that the reason they only accept the current canon is because they only accept books into the Bible that are in the Bible! It was a chicken and egg situation. Don't tell me that every book in the canon references another book in the canon. I then asked them the question about these books:
Book of Enoch – Jude 1:14
Book of Jasher – Joshua 10:10
Book of the Acts of Solomon – 1 Kings 11:41
Book of the Covenant – Exodus 24:7
Book of the Wars of the Lord – Numbers 21:14
Book of Samuel the Seer – 1 Chronicles 29:29
Book of Nathan the Prophet – 2 Chronicles 9:29
Book of Shemaiah the Prophet – 2 Chronicles 12:15
Third Epistle to the Corinthians – 1 Corinthians 5:9
Epistle from Laodicea – Colossians 4:16
Now I know that certain of these so called apocrypha have been recorded in part in recent decades in things like the Dead Sea Scrolls and Nag Hammadi codices. I don't believe for one second that God has protected any canon from the work of man at all. If He had then there would be ONE canon, ONE Bible. Everyone I speak with seems to discount the fact that Bible means library. I don't just mean JWs, I mean everyone who seems to have an opinion about the idea of a closed canon. From all my research and understanding I don't believe it's possible that the canon is closed. I don't see any scriptural evidence to suggest that, and if it truly was then why have we been hung out to dry? :-S

Spike Tassel (Post 1977)

The issue of canon is discussed in the Appendix called The Bible and Its Canon in the WT textbook entitled "All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial" (which is used the the Theocratic Ministry School, one of JWs' 5 weekly meetings).
Also, there is a 4-page CANON article in JWs' 2-volume Insight on the Scriptures. Of particular interest is its 2nd introductory paragraph, which is recorded as follows:—
The mere writing of a religious book, its preservation for hundreds of years, and its esteem by millions do not prove it is of divine origin or canonical. It must ber credentials of Divine Authorship demonstrating that it was inspired by God. The apostle Peter states: "Prophecy was at no time brought by man's will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit." (2 Peter 1:21) An examination of the Bible canon shows that its contents measure up to this criterion in every respect.
You mention "Book of Samuel the Seer – 1 Chronicles 29:29" and "Book of Nathan the Prophet – 2 Chronicles 9:29". Samuel and Nathan and Gad are the 3 known contributors to I and II Samuel, so 1 Chronicles 29:29 undoubtedly refers to I and II Samuel. Possibly some of the other references in your list also reference scriptures which are now known by another name. As to "Epistle from Laodicea – Colossians 4:16", it would appear that, indeed, this Epistle is not currently part of the Bible Canon.

Since the revelation speaks of further Scrolls being opened, this would suggest that, indeed, the Bible Canon is not yet closed.

J aney214 (Post 7)

If the soul is not immortal what exactly did Jesus do when we are told he went to teach the spirits in prison?

Spike Tassel (Post 1977)

At the present time, I'll deal with just the distinction between "soul" and "spirit", using the official NWT Reference Bible (with footnotes and appendices).
JWs understand that the body with the spirit of life activating it causes it to become a soul. This is taken from Genesis 2:7 and Ezekiel 18:4, 20. The point in Genesis is that that the man came to be a living soul [breathing creature], rather than the man having a soul. (The difference is comparable to becoming a father, versus having a father.) The point in Ezekiel is that the soul is not immortal, since "the soul that is sinning—it itself will die". Here, again, the "soul" is referring to the "living person".
Appendix 4A "Soul"— A Living Creature, Human or Animal; Life as an Intelligent Person; Other Uses — Hebrew, NPhSh (ne´phesh); Greek, ψυχη (psy·khe´); Latin, a´ni·ma. includes the following subheadings (each category with an apparently complete list of scriptures for each):—
• Animals are souls
• A living person or individual is a soul
• The creature soul is mortal, destructible
• Life as an intelligent person
• Soul deliverd from Sheol or Hades ("hell")
• Dead soul, or corpse
• Soul distinguished from spirit (Philippians 1:27; 1 Thessalonians 5:23; Hebrews 4:12)
• God has soul

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The Son in two persons

by Deputy Dog in

the wt and jws around the world have made the evil "trinity" their reason for existence.

when in fact they have quite a mystery of their own.

one son in two separate an distinct persons with two separate an distinct natures archangel michael/human jesus.. on another thread spike tassel tried to explain this by saying: .

Spike Tassel

The Clark Kent/ Superman comparison is EXACTLY right, in my honest opinion, except that Jesus as the Minister differed in power/ blessing as compared to Jesus pre-Minister. Clark Kent had no Minister phase, as I understand.

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I was baptised today!!!

by Blithe Freshman in

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i just want to share my happiness !.

the church i've been attending had scheduled last sunday for baptisms.

i was out of town for my family reunion & very disapointed over having to wait.

Spike Tassel

I'm glad. I'd rather be friends and have friends.

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IF it is NOT wise for a man to be ALONE with a woman he's NOT married to

by Spike Tassel in

sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.

the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).

even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.

Spike Tassel

So much for that.

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How could have Rutherford been a 'drunk'?

by wholewheat in

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i feel that the apostate's claims that rutherford was a drunk to be far fetched.

on the one hand, they claim that he was so drunk that the brothers at bethel shipped him to san diego to beth sarim, where he stayed drunk out of his mind, then on the other hand, they claimed that he ruled the society with an iron fist, that he was a dictator.

no drunk could have ruled the society like a dictator.

Spike Tassel

and in these contexts, quitting is a GOOD thing

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IF it is NOT wise for a man to be ALONE with a woman he's NOT married to

by Spike Tassel in

sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.

the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).

even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.

Spike Tassel

The point is still true, we on the Autistic spectrum need love, just like everyone else. It's just harder for us to get since no matter what language the regular world speaks, we speak it differently, such that we get ridicule. People have NO clue what that's like unless they've been abused emotionally like we have been. I'm not "bringing your son up" AGAIN. We're just getting closure as to understandings, is all. Don't you worry, it's raw for me, too. You better believe it.

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IF it is NOT wise for a man to be ALONE with a woman he's NOT married to

by Spike Tassel in

sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.

the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).

even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.

Spike Tassel

in my Post 1962 I wrote the following paragraph, copied again here:—

This exercise with you, Josie, is just getting my thoughts down, based on true-to-life questions. It's basically role-playing, for whoever might stumble onto this page of this particular Topic.

Jehovah is NOT a God of good luck. But thanks for playing along.

We ALL need love, even Aspie like me and your son. We just need it different than many people have a CLUE about.

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IF it is NOT wise for a man to be ALONE with a woman he's NOT married to

by Spike Tassel in

sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.

the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).

even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.

Spike Tassel

Hey, we're role playing. After all. All the bases needed to be properly addressed. To all onlookers. So that everythings clear, and on the up-and-up.

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IF it is NOT wise for a man to be ALONE with a woman he's NOT married to

by Spike Tassel in

sola scriptura answered andersonsinfo:.

the wt leadership has hammered into all of it's elders and rank & file's heads, that it is not wise for a man to be alone with a woman he is not married too (adult or young woman... ie 14).

even in congregation sanctioned duties.. so, why, then, do so many service pairings involve just that: a brother alone in the territory (even if it's to make a call) with a sister he's not married to?.

Spike Tassel

Now that we've got THAT possible miscue out of the way, THAT about says how it would work with me and whoever that special someone might be. One thing about me, I know who I am and describe myself accordingly, although more fluently by writing since I can rework my thoughts to put them in more logical order, etc.

I addressed that "miscue" first because THAT's how real life has to be done, knowing who I am as Jehovah does.